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====== Compatible hardware ======

Please note that the hardware results listed below are based on user experiences shared via [[http://thec64community.online|theC64 community forum]] (also see [[https://gurce.net/oldforum/|old forum posts]]) and [[https://www.facebook.com/groups/209280506324242/|theC64 facebook discussion group]]. As such, no one can officially confirm the accuracy of all reports, so please use your own caution, research and consideration when deciding on what hardware you plan on buying. If something listed here doesn't work out for you as hoped, please share those experiences via the forums and let others learn from your experiences too. We can update this page over time as we become aware of any incorrect/inaccurate entries.


===== Joysticks/Gamepads =====

==== Reports from users ====
The c64 mini FAQ states that it requires a gamepad with at least 8 buttons in order to work, although there have been reports from some people of getting gamepads with fewer buttons to work.

Some people have also made mention that you should use a USB power adapter of 2A or higher (maybe even up to 2.5A?)

Even for working controllers listed, there have been comments that some buttons haven't been mapped ideally, and it would be preferable if a future firmware update permitted the user to re-map buttons to suit their controllers. NOTE: Firmware 1.1.4 now permits you to specify controller button mappings per game via CJM files. See [[https://thec64.com/file-loader/|here]] for more info:.

Referenced threads:
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/229-joysticks-pads-that-work-on-the-c64-mini.txt
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/161-alternative-joypad-and-new-games.txt
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/122-working-non-working-usb-sticks.txt
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/103-one-question-that-has-not-been-ask-can-you-use-a-usb-to-db9-adapter.txt
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/153-which-joysticks-work-with-the-c64-mini-my-list.txt

=== C64 - Mini joystick-test programs ===
Collection of legacy joystick testers for C64 - Mini is [[joytest|here]].

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| PS controller with [[https://www.fruugo.dk/digiflex-ps2-til-sony-ps3-usb-spilleenhed-converter-adapter/p-12695275-25962479|USB adapter]] | [[Logitech Wireless Gamepad F710]] | Xbox One Pro controller | 8bitdo pad |
| PS2 controller with [[https://www.amazon.co.uk/OSTENT-Controller-Adapter-Converter-Compatible/dp/B00FBM3JEG/ref=sr_1_1|USB adapter]] | [[https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Transparent-Color-Controller-For-Sony-PS2-Wireless-Bluetooth-Controller-2-4G-Vibration-Controle-Gamepad-for-Playstation/32861179506.html|OIVO PS2 wireless controller]] (with PS2 USB adapter) | Xbox One & 360                 | Afterglow PS3 2.4 GHz Wireless |
| PS2 controller with [[https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Kebidu-for-PS2-Gamepad-Converter-Joypad-Game-USB-Dual-Player-Converter-Adapter-Cable-for-Dual-Playstation/32876962177.html|USB dual adapter]] |  | PDP Xbox One Wired Gamepad | ShanWan PC/PS3/Android wireless USB Controller |
| PS3 controller (erratic/buggy)  |  | madcatz usb xbox360 sf4 gamepad |  |
| PS4 controller (erratic/buggy) |  | Microsoft Sidewinder usb gamepad |  |
| [[https://www.lioncast.com/en/product/arcade-fighting-stick/|Lioncast joystick arcade]] |  | Logitech Gamepad |   |
| INNEXT Game Controller |  | Logitech F310 Gamepad |  |
| Generic PS2 style Speedlink pad |  | Logitech Attack 3 Joystick |  |
| [[https://www.umart.com.au/Marvo-Scorpion-GT-006-Single-Shock-Controller-Black_43284G.html|Marvo Scorpion GT-006]] |   | Logic 3: 3-in-1 arcade stick |  |
| [[https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Buffalo-iBuffalo-Classic-USB-Gamepad-for-PC-BSGP801GY-Japan-import/401212052220|Buffalo SNES USB pad]]* |  | Speedlink USB controller |  |
| TPFOON Wired Controller |  | Thrustmaster USB |  |
| SNES USB Controller |  | Esperanza PS3 Wired Gamepad |  |
| [[http://eng.defender-global.com/catalog/139/1399|Defender GAME MASTER G2 USB]] pad  |  | PS3 Fighting Stick |  |
| Retro-Bit Wired USB Controller |  | PS4 Fight Stick (Hori) |  |
| [[https://www.amazon.com/Retro-Link-Sega-Genesis-Classic-Controller/dp/B0080M0C4O/|Retro-Link Sega Genesis Classic USB Controller]] |  | Hori USB PS4 Controller |  |
| [[https://www.facebook.com/groups/209280506324242/permalink/319343281984630/|SEGA Saturn SLS 5001 USB pad]] |  | Nintendo Switch Wired Controller |  |
| [[SpeedLink Competition Pro USB]]* |  | Arduino Joystick |  |
| [[fight_joystick_TP-U670A|Fight Joystick TP-U670A]] by Topway/Tongwei |  | Mayflash USB adaptor with 360 wired controller |  |
| [[Data Frog]] for SEGA USB Classic Gamepad 6 Buttons |  | Homebrew USB adapter for Cheetah125+ and Sega Megadrive Pad |  |
| [[Logitech Dual Action Game Pad USB]] |  | [[Zero delay USB Joystick Encoder]] (works only partially) |  |
| [[Logitech Rumblepad 2]] Vibration Feedback Gamepad |  |  |
| [[Skorpion Joystick]] with [[hardware_compatibility_lists#usb-to-db9_converters|USB adapter]] |  |  |
| [[Joystick AFF Black]] with [[hardware_compatibility_lists#usb-to-db9_converters|USB adapter]] |  |  |
| [[Competition Pro Retro-DB9]] with [[hardware_compatibility_lists#usb-to-db9_converters|USB adapter]] |  |  |
| [[Combat Arcade Stick - Intec]] | | |
| [[Gasky Arcade Joystick** ]] | | |

* since firmware v1.1.4\\
* * since firmware v1.2.0\\
  
==== Joystick list from firmware's config file ====

User fatgit found a config file within the firmware and shared a list of controllers that could *potentially* work with the hardware.

I've received feedback from readers that some found this list a bit misleading, as some entries on it are for controllers that have been found not to work with the mini.

Considering that, I'll move this list into this sub-page.

  * [[Joystick list from firmware's config file]]
==== USB-to-DB9 converters ====

  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/153-which-joysticks-work-with-the-c64-mini-my-list.txt

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| [[Universal DB9 to USB joystick adapter module by Retronic Design]] | [[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ZS35CU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wnk6BbBEPHBRR|Atari to PC USB Cable]] by Retro-Link | [[http://www.brunofreitas.com/node/41|USB RetroPad Adapter]] by Bruno Feitas |
| [[RetroFun_adapter|RetroFun! USB-to-DB9 adapter]] by E4U | [[https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Drive-Genesis-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00QRZ1HVS/ref=lp_12676724011_1_1|Mayflash Md Mega Drive Genesis Controller Adapter for PC USB]] | [[https://www.tindie.com/products/tynemouthsw/9-way-d-usb-joystick-adapter/|Single/Dual 9 way D USB joystick adapter]] by Tynemouth Software |
| [[RetroFun_adapter|RetroFun! Twin]] (dual adapter) by E4U | | [[https://www.ebay.com/itm/261823665689|Genesis/SMS/Atari controller to USB adapter (v2)]] by Raphnet-tech |
| [[arana_DB9_adapter|DB9 to USB adapter]] by Arananet | [[https://www.ebay.com/itm/232969267707|aJoy USB Retro Joystick Adapter]] by tsb | [[https://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=70|USB Atari RetroPort]] by retroUSB |
| [[diy_db9-2-usb|Open Source DIY DB9-2-USB]] Arduino Leonardo adaptor by tsb | [[https://www.ebay.com/itm/253921317022|USB adapter for Commodore/Amiga joystick New version]] (despegatop) | [[https://www.ebay.de/itm/2-Spieler-Controller-OTG-USB-Adapter-fuer-Sega-Genesis-MD-Atari-Blac-/162980136852|2 Spieler Controller OTG USB Adapter]] by fernwehdeals |
| [[JoyDivision by OnyxSoft]] | | ZOGA 2 Players Controller OTG USB Adaptor |
| [[C64 Mini Joystick Adapter]] | | |

==== Joystick-To-DB9 modding ====

Thomas Senoner from the fb group has has some success modding the joystick:

  * https://www.facebook.com/groups/209280506324242/permalink/216226672296292/

Jonas Pettersson and others have shared their successful methods modding the joystick in this fb thread:
  * https://m.facebook.com/groups/209280506324242?view=permalink&id=309478842971074
  * https://youtu.be/38j8SSikZkI  - video that explain whole procedure

Paul Everitt also succeded to add DB9 connector to the C64 Mini joystick:
  * https://crashedfiesta.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-joystickiest-situation-since.html
    * whole procedure described here, at blog post
  * https://www.facebook.com/groups/209280506324242/permalink/352935628625395/
    * announcement at Facebook TheC64 Mini Group

Some people have tried modding the given Competition Pro Joystick to try add a DB9 connector to it, to permit the connection of old atari/commodore-era joysticks. Not much luck has been reported so far. I'll add links to those discussions and attempts:

  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/146-power-mini-from-powered-usb-hub.txt
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/237-tried-to-solder-a-db9-to-thec64-joystick-today.txt

===== Keyboards =====

There was some mention of keyboards failing due to using a low-powered USB adapter (< 1A). For best results, use a USB power adapter rated above 2A.

  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/144-keyboard-working-for-anyone.txt
  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/168-keyboard-stickers.txt

Reported by Tomxp411 on the community forum via private message:

> A quick note on keyboards: basically all PC USB keyboards should work, but you have to plug the keyboard in before turning on the Mini. You can't connect the keyboard after the Mini has started up; it won't work.


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| Logitech K120 | MX3 2.4GHz Air Mouse Wireless Keyboard  |  | Logitech K400  |
| [[Coolermaster QuickFire TK]] | [[Microsoft 850]] |  |  |
| [[Corsair Vengence K65]] | [[QConnect Wireless]] |  |  |
| [[Hama Slimline SL720]] | [[Be Wireless LV-6500]] | | |
| [[HiPoint Premium Slim]] | [[Jelly Comb]] | | |
| [[Periboard-409H]] (keyboard+hub) | | | |
| [[Microsoft Wired 600]] | | | |
| [[Perixx PERIBOARD-220]] | | | |

  * [[keyboard_stickers|]] - for complete makeover of keyboard 
===== USB memory sticks =====

My personal conviction is that all USB sticks can work with the system if formatted correctly and various other common fail-cases are considered. Please take a read of the following pages to see if you can make your existing USB sticks work this way:

  * [[correctly_formatting_your_usb_sticks|Correctly formatting your USB sticks]]
  * [[usb_memory_stick_problems|USB Memory Stick Problems]]

In the table below, we can perhaps just focus on whether a __newly bought__ pre-formatted USB stick works with the system then...

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| [[PNY 16GB USB Stick]] |  |
| [[SanDisk Ultra Flair 64GB USB3.0]] |  |

===== USB SD-card readers ===== 

Some people finds more convenient to use SD-card or MicroSD readers instead USB memory sticks. Same applies as for USB sticks, all should probably work under same conditions (correctly formatted). Again, table below contains just a __newly bought__ pre-formatted USB stick works with the system then...

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| [[Binmer MINI Super Speed USB 2.0 MicroSD-SDXC Card Reader]], blue led | |
| [[Binmer High Speed Mini USB 2.0 MINI MicroSD Card Reader]] | |

===== Powered USB hubs =====

People have mostly reported successes with powered USB hubs, it doesn't seem to matter if you get a USB2.0 or USB3.0 hub. Some even say USB1.0 is fine.

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| [[Atolla powered 4 port hub]]  |  |
| [[ Dell Venue 8 7840 Charging Adapter]] |  |
| [[Aukru USB3.0 4 port hub]] |  |
| [[PI Hut powered 7 port USB hub]] |  |
| [[Pluscom USB2.0 Powered 4 Port]] |  |
| [[D-Link Powered 7 port USB hub]] |  |
| [[Tendak USB3.0 powered 4 port hub]]  |  |


===== Un-powered USB hubs =====

Some people have had some success with **unpowered** USB hubs, others have had issues, so your results may vary with what is shown in the table below. The results may also vary in relation to the max-current of your power-supply to the mini.

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| [[Ebay - 3 Port Rotating Splitter]]  |  |
| [[Ebay - 3 Port Splitter]] | |
| [[Ebay - HS 4 Port USB2.0 Multi Splitter]] | |
| [[Belkin F4U042]] | |
| [[Periboard-409H]] (keyboard+hub) | |
| [[AmazonBasics 4-Port USB2.0]] | |
| [[AliExpress - HS 4 Port USB2.0 Mini Smart Hub]] | |
| [[Kebidu 4-port Blue LED Aluminium-ABS Splitter]] |  |
| [[Kebidu Mini USB 2.0 Hi-Speed 4-Port Splitter]] |  |
| [[Hama EasyLine 4-port USB 2.0 Hub]] |  |

===== Adapters for VGA|DVI|HDMI|AV display =====

Some people are using Mini with PC-monitor instead TV. The common problem is sound, because monitors often do not support sound source from video cable. Common solution is adapter with sound splitter. Here are various solutions, tested with Mini.
Adaptors for RCA Composite AV (cinch jack) are also in use.

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| Wiistar [[MINI HDMI audio splitter]] | |
| [[HDMI TO HDMI+AUDIO]] | |
| [[Rovtop HDMI to VGA+Audio|HDMI to VGA+Audio]] | |
| [[HDMI to VGA adapter]] (w/o audio) | |
| [[HDMI to AV adapter]] (video+audio) | |