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– [D64 file renaming problems in Windows when File Extensions are hidden] gurce
+++ usb_memory_stick_problems [2018/12/29 20:27] (current)
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 ===== Problems formatting from Mac =====
+  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/176-usb-memory-stick-not-detected.txt
 One user reported having problems when his USB stick was formatted in Mac OSX. He then tried formatting it from Windows (7?) and it worked fine.
 Other Mac users have reported that it works fine as long as you pick "FAT32" and the "MBR" option, which they said was the default for them (perhaps not for others?)
+For step-by-step walkthroughs with screenshots, please take a look at the [[correctly_formatting_your_usb_sticks|Correctly formatting your USB sticks]] page.
 ===== USB stick works better if it is inserted before power up =====
 Justin Pope from the facebook group found that if you insert the troublesome USB prior to powering up, it works, but if you insert it after power up and go straight to BASIC, it doesn't. He suspects that some USB sticks take a longer time to register with the system.
+Here is a youtube video he prepared describing the matter:
+  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0raxpuudVA
 ===== USB stick works better if you run a game from the carousel first =====
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 Spannernick from the community forum reported that he had a troublesome USB stick that seemed to only work if you loaded a game from the carousel first (E.g., Alleykat or Avenger) and then jumped to basic. This seemed to not only trigger the fast-loader and D81 file support, but also got his troublesome stick to work!
-===== Does Windows 10 impose ExFAT formatting on USB sticks? =====
+===== Some problems occurring due to 'Quick Format' =====
-  * https://community.thec64.com/d/137-a-couple-of-questions
+For Windows users, Nicole Birgel in the fb forum suggested:
-One user hinted at it in the referenced link above. I should check this out at some stage. If so, it might imply that users of Windows 10 will need to download some 3rd party formatting tool rather than relying on the one inside Windows 10.
+  * do not to use "Quick Format"
+  * do a "**Full Format**"
+  * FB user Dean Le Blanc recently reported success with this method:
+    *  https://www.facebook.com/groups/209280506324242/permalink/330439800874978/
+===== Windows unable to format FAT32 for USB sticks >32GB =====
+This report from Chad Diederichs in the fb group:
+> Windows won't let you format any volume over 32GB as FAT32. I had to repartition my 64GB USB drive down to a 32GB partition before formatting.
+===== Un-partitioned FAT32 sticks (without an MBR) are failing =====
+I've been assessing a failing USB stick in further detail (versus my working USB stick). It appears that the reason it was failing was that even though it was formatted as FAT32, it was formatted as an un-partitioned drive. I.e., it did not have an MBR (Master Boot Record). After formatting the drive with an MBR, the USB stick then worked.
+For those that want all my technical investigation notes, find them here:
+  * https://gurce.net/c64mini_files/c64%20mini%20-%20USB%20stick%20FAT32%20investigations.pdf
+The notes also outline how Mac OSX users can assure that they format with FAT32 + MBR.
+I haven't assessed how the Windows10 formatting tool behaves as yet, but for Windows users having trouble, some users have suggested 3rd party formatting/partitioning tools that might be worth a try. I've listed a few of them in the [[#alternative_ways_to_format_to_fat32_on_windows_10]] section below.
+===== Does the Windows 10 format tool fail to add an MBR? =====
+Yes, it appears to be that way. I've investigated my troublesome USB stick with the Windows 10 formatting tool. The detailed notes are here:
+  * https://gurce.net/c64mini_files/c64%20mini%20-%20USB%20stick%20FAT32%20investigations%20-%20Windows10.pdf
+My quick conclusion is:
+  * If your USB stick didn't have an MBR prior to you formatting it, then the windows formatting tool won't add an MBR
+  * So if you're using windows 10, don't use the in-built formatting tool, try one of the suggested 3rd party formatting tools instead that others have had success with.
+For those hell-bent on doing it via the in-built windows tools, I did find a path, but it was finicky:
+  * Windows does have a "Disk Management" GUI tool for partitioning, but it doesn't permit you do delete volumes on removable devices such as USB sticks (you will need to do this in order to use that tool to do the "Create Simple Volume" action on unallocated USB disk space in order for an MBR to appear)
+  * So you can use a command-line tool called "diskpart" (run as admin) and delete the USB stick's volume, but be super-careful you're deleting the correct volume! (Wouldn't want to trash your hard-drive! :))
+  * After deleting your USB stick's volume, you can return to the "Disk Management" GUI tool and you will see your USB stick's drive space is now "unallocated".
+  * You can then right-click it and "Create Simple Volume" (which can create a new FAT32 volume + MBR).
 ==== Alternative ways to format to FAT32 on Windows 10 ====
-=== Command Lines ===
+For step-by-step walkthroughs with screenshots, please take a look at the [[correctly_formatting_your_usb_sticks|Correctly formatting your USB sticks]] page.
-Jumpmanjr suggested formatting the USB stick from the command-line:
+=== SD Card Formatter ===
-  - Hit the Windows **start** button and type: **CMD** and hit **ENTER**.
+  * SirGeldi in the community forum has confirmed that this tool works for Windows.
-  - Type the following command: **''format /FS:FAT32 /Q X:''** (Replace X with the drive letter of your USB-stick) and hit **ENTER**.
+  * User Jimbo in the community forum has confirmed that this tool also works for Mac OSX:
+  * I have also tested it on Mac, with success:
+    * https://gurce.net/oldforum/176-usb-memory-stick-not-detected.txt
+The tool is available for download here:
+  * https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
 === MiniTool Partition Wizard ===
-* https://community.thec64.com/d/296-unable-to-update-firmware-or-play-extra-games
+Spannernick from the community forums recommended this tool to format to FAT32:
-One user recommended this tool to format to FAT32:
+  * https://gurce.net/oldforum/296-unable-to-update-firmware-or-play-extra-games.txt
+The tool is available for download here:
   * https://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html
+=== Command Line ===
+Jumpmanjr from the community forum suggested formatting the USB stick from the command-line. I don't believe this method has been tested though, and I suspect that it will simply format the volume and not provide an MBR for the disk.
+  - Hit the Windows **start** button and type: **CMD** and hit **ENTER**.
+  - Type the following command: **''format /FS:FAT32 /Q X:''** (Replace X with the drive letter of your USB-stick) and hit **ENTER**.
+I think a truly command-line method for adding the MBR will relate to using the "**diskpart**" tool (rather than the 'format' tool).
 ===== D64 file renaming problems in Windows when File Extensions are hidden =====